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RE:Homosexuality
DELETED USER
March 17, 2003 at 1:10 PM
I have read a lot of the replys and I would like to share my Holy Ghost opinion!
1. When you come to Christ your life is no longer your own.
2. Therefore if my life is no longer my own there is going to be some sacrifices made.
3. If you are strugling with this or what every you are sturggling with you need to seek a personal deliverance session. I know Prophetess that does deliverance sessions and she deals with this problem alot male and female.
4. Remember Chris loves us all and he don't want us to allow the devil to have us in any type of bondage.
5. What ever your situation is or problem is remember God is Able to do exceedingly and abundantly more than what we could ever ask him for.
3.
1. When you come to Christ your life is no longer your own.
2. Therefore if my life is no longer my own there is going to be some sacrifices made.
3. If you are strugling with this or what every you are sturggling with you need to seek a personal deliverance session. I know Prophetess that does deliverance sessions and she deals with this problem alot male and female.
4. Remember Chris loves us all and he don't want us to allow the devil to have us in any type of bondage.
5. What ever your situation is or problem is remember God is Able to do exceedingly and abundantly more than what we could ever ask him for.
3.
Homosexuality
DELETED USER
March 10, 2003 at 11:33 PM
Friends, I saw this on another web-site... read it and gather your ideas from it.
- pastorgee
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God has declared geat displeasure and opposition toward homosexual conduct. However, He yearns to restore and forgive all who come to Him, including homosexuals. Unfortunately, many today mislabel those who speak out against the sin of homosexuality as hate-mongers and prejudiced people seeking to oppress and take away the rights of homosexuals. But these persons view homosexuality from a skewed social perspective devoid of true biblical morality. The Church, however, is called to be faithful to God’s Word in all things. For this reason the church opposes homosexuality and the gay lifestyle recognizing such as sin. But we encourage all members to reach out in love to homosexuals extending to them the grace that leads us all to Christ’s forgiveness.
Homosexuality is both a sin against God and mankind. It runs contrary to the divine plan, purpose, and will of God who created us in His image (Genesis 1:27) and redeemed us so that this image, marred because of sin, might be renewed (Colossians 3:10). Most fundamentally, homosexuality is sin because it perverts the created order of human sexuality, the heterosexual fulfillment of both man and woman (1 Corinthians 7:2-5). In creating the first man and woman, God ultimately established the family consisting of a father, a mother, and eventually children. Society is founded on this social unit which propagates the human race. In total contrast, the lifestyle and practice of homosexual couples establish a social unit that thwarts that process and the creative purposes of God for humanity.
Clearly the Bible states homosexual practice is sin. Scriptures which denounce homosexuality are found in both the Old and New Testaments. Advocates of homosexuality often attempt to rationalize, reinterpret, and explain away key biblical truths to justify their acts. Such abuse of inspired Scripture is wrong. Along with the passages that clearly describe homosexual conduct as sin, the Bible speaks repeatedly about God’s divinely ordained plan of heterosexual relationships and marriage.
Genesis 19. In the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the "men" of Sodom demand to "know" the angelic visitors of Lot (v.5, KJV). Attempts to describe the request as merely a desire to get acquainted with the strangers does not fit the context. Other biblical passages link Sodom with sexual immorality and perversion (2 Peter 2:6-7; Jude 7).
Leviticus 18:22. The specific command that a man is not to "lie with a man as one lies with a woman; [for] that is detestable" is sometimes attacked by pro-homosexual scholars who argue that Christians are no longer under the Mosaic Law. But there is a sharp distinction between the dietary or ceremonial laws abolished in the New Testament (Mark 7:19; Hebrews 10:8-10) and the moral laws reinforced in the New Testament. They are still applicable today. Breaking the ceremonial laws resulted in temporary uncleanness; breaking the moral laws meant severe punishment or even death (Leviticus 11 and 24).
Romans 1:26, 27. This New Testament passage is the most pointed and clear condemnation of homosexuality (among men or women) in the Bible. "Women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. . . . Men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Some pro-homosexual scholars claim that Paul’s statements were addressed to first-century believers and thus are not applicable today. But God’s moral laws do not change.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10. God’s inclusion of homosexual conduct with other specific sexual and social sins is clear from Paul’s first letter to the Corinthian church: "Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Some defenders of the homosexual lifestyle have tried to explain away the terms "male prostitutes" and "homosexual offenders" by claiming that they refer to general immoral behavior rather than homosexual practice. But such a meaning of the Greek cannot be found in first-century literature and the translation would result in needless redundancy, for Paul began his list with "the sexually immoral." The two words refer to the sins of passive and active homosexual behavior.
Some pro-homosexual advocates try to refute the biblical injunctions against homosexuality by saying the Bible speaks against promiscuity and prostitution, not against loving, committed gay relationships. Some unfaithful spouses of heterosexual marriages have tried to justify adultery on the same grounds, but nowhere does Scripture suggest that loving, committed relationships of any kind can turn sin into righteousness. God does not permit mankind to reinterpret the clear teaching of Scripture to justify personal sinful desires.
As Christians we must ask what Paul meant in Romans by calling homosexual acts unnatural (Romans 1:26, 27). Human logic tells us they are unnatural because if practiced universally, the human race would soon die out. From a social perspective they are unnatural because they are degrading to the sensitivities of the large majority of the population. (Some homosexuals claim wrongly that 10 percent of the population is homosexual. This exaggerated percentage, based on Alfred Kinsey’s faulty sexual-practices survey in 1948 and 1970, has been accurately set at between 1 and 3 percent in several recent and better documented studies).
One of the myths propounded by pro-homosexual advocates is that homosexual orientation is genetically determined and that people have no choice in the matter. There is no scientific evidence to support this claim. Linking a particular behavior with a specific gene is considered highly unlikely by geneticists. Some would like to believe this myth, for it could be used to excuse all sin and evil behavior. In contrast, ministers and psychologists are treating homosexuality with success, which further discredits the genetic theory. The fact that God’s transforming power has changed the lifestyle of many homosexuals is well documented.
Finally, homosexual acts are unnatural because of their high correlation with major illnesses and terminal disease. In viewing Romans 1:27 we must ask what is the "due penalty" mentioned "for their perversion." Though AIDS is not necessarily a direct judgment from God, as innocents are sometimes the victims of the sin of others, it remains a disastrous overarching consequence of sin through the fall of man (see Genesis 3). Contrary to the claims by homosexual public relations campaigns that gays and lesbians are normal, healthy, average people, the opposite is true. Former homosexuals describe a disgusting lifestyle of perversion and sexual obsession. In a study of the median age of death for heterosexuals and homosexuals, less than 2 per cent of homosexuals survived to age 65 while married and single heterosexual men and women living past 65 ranged from 57 to 80 percent.
Clearly on every front whether it be moral, spiritual, physical, or psychological, the practice of homosexuality has proven itself devoid of any individual good or social benefit. Furthermore, the historical record shows homosexuality as detrimental to the well-being of the individual participant, the extended family, and society at large.
At every turn the church refutes the practice, the acceptance, and the promotion of homosexuality, yet admonishes all Christians to reach out in love to all homosexuals so they too may repent and know the forgiveness and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
CONCERNS:
Some people ask, "Why can’t Christians live and let live, leaving homosexuals alone?" At one time Christians were silent concerning the evil practice of homosexuals. History shows homosexuality has been around since early times, and as long as it was not openly flaunted, homosexuals were seldom challenged. But today, homosexuals have become aggressive in pushing their agenda. The church has been forced to answer.
Today, families with members who choose a homosexual lifestyle sometimes call for social acceptance of the deviant lifestyle. Some churches hearing this cry or impacted by revelations of homosexual clergy within their ranks have responded by advocating a gay-friendly theology of compassion. But lowering God’s holy standards to mankind’s sinful preferences is an abomination in God’s sight. As members of the body of Christ, we must not ignore God’s clear admonitions.
The homosexual agenda has already impacted public education, public policy, the military, government, politics, business, entertainment, media, and religion. As inroads have been made into these areas, both the arts and the media have openly promoted acceptance of its sinful behavior. Major companies are now appealing to the homosexual market through sponsorship of homosexual events that influence general public opinion about homosexuality. Such aggressiveness demands that Christians not sit idly by as this morally deficient agenda is pushed.
In the face of a militant homosexual movement that is pressing for legal and social acceptance of homosexuality, the church must keep its focus. First, homosexuals are sinners like everyone and need God’s grace, love, and forgiveness. Second, homosexuals can through the miracle of the new birth be set free from the power of sin and live changed moral lives. The church must reach out to all sinners with the love of Christ, no matter what the sin. And we must never let the declining moral climate of our nation pressure us into condoning what God condemns.
- pastorgee
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
God has declared geat displeasure and opposition toward homosexual conduct. However, He yearns to restore and forgive all who come to Him, including homosexuals. Unfortunately, many today mislabel those who speak out against the sin of homosexuality as hate-mongers and prejudiced people seeking to oppress and take away the rights of homosexuals. But these persons view homosexuality from a skewed social perspective devoid of true biblical morality. The Church, however, is called to be faithful to God’s Word in all things. For this reason the church opposes homosexuality and the gay lifestyle recognizing such as sin. But we encourage all members to reach out in love to homosexuals extending to them the grace that leads us all to Christ’s forgiveness.
Homosexuality is both a sin against God and mankind. It runs contrary to the divine plan, purpose, and will of God who created us in His image (Genesis 1:27) and redeemed us so that this image, marred because of sin, might be renewed (Colossians 3:10). Most fundamentally, homosexuality is sin because it perverts the created order of human sexuality, the heterosexual fulfillment of both man and woman (1 Corinthians 7:2-5). In creating the first man and woman, God ultimately established the family consisting of a father, a mother, and eventually children. Society is founded on this social unit which propagates the human race. In total contrast, the lifestyle and practice of homosexual couples establish a social unit that thwarts that process and the creative purposes of God for humanity.
Clearly the Bible states homosexual practice is sin. Scriptures which denounce homosexuality are found in both the Old and New Testaments. Advocates of homosexuality often attempt to rationalize, reinterpret, and explain away key biblical truths to justify their acts. Such abuse of inspired Scripture is wrong. Along with the passages that clearly describe homosexual conduct as sin, the Bible speaks repeatedly about God’s divinely ordained plan of heterosexual relationships and marriage.
Genesis 19. In the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the "men" of Sodom demand to "know" the angelic visitors of Lot (v.5, KJV). Attempts to describe the request as merely a desire to get acquainted with the strangers does not fit the context. Other biblical passages link Sodom with sexual immorality and perversion (2 Peter 2:6-7; Jude 7).
Leviticus 18:22. The specific command that a man is not to "lie with a man as one lies with a woman; [for] that is detestable" is sometimes attacked by pro-homosexual scholars who argue that Christians are no longer under the Mosaic Law. But there is a sharp distinction between the dietary or ceremonial laws abolished in the New Testament (Mark 7:19; Hebrews 10:8-10) and the moral laws reinforced in the New Testament. They are still applicable today. Breaking the ceremonial laws resulted in temporary uncleanness; breaking the moral laws meant severe punishment or even death (Leviticus 11 and 24).
Romans 1:26, 27. This New Testament passage is the most pointed and clear condemnation of homosexuality (among men or women) in the Bible. "Women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. . . . Men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Some pro-homosexual scholars claim that Paul’s statements were addressed to first-century believers and thus are not applicable today. But God’s moral laws do not change.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10. God’s inclusion of homosexual conduct with other specific sexual and social sins is clear from Paul’s first letter to the Corinthian church: "Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Some defenders of the homosexual lifestyle have tried to explain away the terms "male prostitutes" and "homosexual offenders" by claiming that they refer to general immoral behavior rather than homosexual practice. But such a meaning of the Greek cannot be found in first-century literature and the translation would result in needless redundancy, for Paul began his list with "the sexually immoral." The two words refer to the sins of passive and active homosexual behavior.
Some pro-homosexual advocates try to refute the biblical injunctions against homosexuality by saying the Bible speaks against promiscuity and prostitution, not against loving, committed gay relationships. Some unfaithful spouses of heterosexual marriages have tried to justify adultery on the same grounds, but nowhere does Scripture suggest that loving, committed relationships of any kind can turn sin into righteousness. God does not permit mankind to reinterpret the clear teaching of Scripture to justify personal sinful desires.
As Christians we must ask what Paul meant in Romans by calling homosexual acts unnatural (Romans 1:26, 27). Human logic tells us they are unnatural because if practiced universally, the human race would soon die out. From a social perspective they are unnatural because they are degrading to the sensitivities of the large majority of the population. (Some homosexuals claim wrongly that 10 percent of the population is homosexual. This exaggerated percentage, based on Alfred Kinsey’s faulty sexual-practices survey in 1948 and 1970, has been accurately set at between 1 and 3 percent in several recent and better documented studies).
One of the myths propounded by pro-homosexual advocates is that homosexual orientation is genetically determined and that people have no choice in the matter. There is no scientific evidence to support this claim. Linking a particular behavior with a specific gene is considered highly unlikely by geneticists. Some would like to believe this myth, for it could be used to excuse all sin and evil behavior. In contrast, ministers and psychologists are treating homosexuality with success, which further discredits the genetic theory. The fact that God’s transforming power has changed the lifestyle of many homosexuals is well documented.
Finally, homosexual acts are unnatural because of their high correlation with major illnesses and terminal disease. In viewing Romans 1:27 we must ask what is the "due penalty" mentioned "for their perversion." Though AIDS is not necessarily a direct judgment from God, as innocents are sometimes the victims of the sin of others, it remains a disastrous overarching consequence of sin through the fall of man (see Genesis 3). Contrary to the claims by homosexual public relations campaigns that gays and lesbians are normal, healthy, average people, the opposite is true. Former homosexuals describe a disgusting lifestyle of perversion and sexual obsession. In a study of the median age of death for heterosexuals and homosexuals, less than 2 per cent of homosexuals survived to age 65 while married and single heterosexual men and women living past 65 ranged from 57 to 80 percent.
Clearly on every front whether it be moral, spiritual, physical, or psychological, the practice of homosexuality has proven itself devoid of any individual good or social benefit. Furthermore, the historical record shows homosexuality as detrimental to the well-being of the individual participant, the extended family, and society at large.
At every turn the church refutes the practice, the acceptance, and the promotion of homosexuality, yet admonishes all Christians to reach out in love to all homosexuals so they too may repent and know the forgiveness and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
CONCERNS:
Some people ask, "Why can’t Christians live and let live, leaving homosexuals alone?" At one time Christians were silent concerning the evil practice of homosexuals. History shows homosexuality has been around since early times, and as long as it was not openly flaunted, homosexuals were seldom challenged. But today, homosexuals have become aggressive in pushing their agenda. The church has been forced to answer.
Today, families with members who choose a homosexual lifestyle sometimes call for social acceptance of the deviant lifestyle. Some churches hearing this cry or impacted by revelations of homosexual clergy within their ranks have responded by advocating a gay-friendly theology of compassion. But lowering God’s holy standards to mankind’s sinful preferences is an abomination in God’s sight. As members of the body of Christ, we must not ignore God’s clear admonitions.
The homosexual agenda has already impacted public education, public policy, the military, government, politics, business, entertainment, media, and religion. As inroads have been made into these areas, both the arts and the media have openly promoted acceptance of its sinful behavior. Major companies are now appealing to the homosexual market through sponsorship of homosexual events that influence general public opinion about homosexuality. Such aggressiveness demands that Christians not sit idly by as this morally deficient agenda is pushed.
In the face of a militant homosexual movement that is pressing for legal and social acceptance of homosexuality, the church must keep its focus. First, homosexuals are sinners like everyone and need God’s grace, love, and forgiveness. Second, homosexuals can through the miracle of the new birth be set free from the power of sin and live changed moral lives. The church must reach out to all sinners with the love of Christ, no matter what the sin. And we must never let the declining moral climate of our nation pressure us into condoning what God condemns.
RE:Homosexuality
missfaithfulheart 
March 7, 2003 at 3:31 PM
And I think it is really important for the body of Christ to realize that screaming in the face of practicing homosexuals is not conversion...or being a true witness.
Jesus has made it really clear that we are to witness through love.
So,
do you think the body of Christ has effectively shown the homosexual community the love of Christ?
Jesus has made it really clear that we are to witness through love.
So,
do you think the body of Christ has effectively shown the homosexual community the love of Christ?
RE:Homosexuality
DELETED USER
March 2, 2003 at 1:18 PM
Let's start from the beginning, Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created HE him;male and female created HE them. 1:28 ...God said...be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it...
God created us (male and female) to multiply and replenish the earth. Male with male cannot multiply and replenish the earth, likewise female with female cannot. Male with male and female with female is unnatural and not like God. If it is not like God it is like satan. Homosexuality, like anything other sin,(lying, fornication, murder) is from the father of lies the devil. We have to pray that we are led of God to minister the Word of God only...not our interpretation of the Word, because we can mess it up, and have someone worse off than before. We must also pray for the souls of those who choose to believe the lie that their sexuality is anything other than what they were created to be.
God created us (male and female) to multiply and replenish the earth. Male with male cannot multiply and replenish the earth, likewise female with female cannot. Male with male and female with female is unnatural and not like God. If it is not like God it is like satan. Homosexuality, like anything other sin,(lying, fornication, murder) is from the father of lies the devil. We have to pray that we are led of God to minister the Word of God only...not our interpretation of the Word, because we can mess it up, and have someone worse off than before. We must also pray for the souls of those who choose to believe the lie that their sexuality is anything other than what they were created to be.
RE:Homosexuality
DELETED USER
March 1, 2003 at 1:10 PM
I would like to comment on this issue..and say that I have a friend who is gay and being converted.What we have to remember is that we all wa something before we were saved by grace.I beleived he would be saved..I also prayed for him because i know prayer changes things and i can say that Glory be to God he has stopped actually engaging with other men.I do express to him that the feelings he has will cease the closer he gets to the lord.So my answer to this is if we as a body let our light shine..and remember we were sinners before..and allow the Holy Spirit to lead us in witnessing to homosexuals..the battle to save even a person in that bondage will be SAVED..AMEN
RE:Homosexuality
missfaithfulheart
February 8, 2003 at 5:16 AM
Well,
I have had some freinds who were gay..but not like I could stand on a pedastal and say..I convert homosexuals everyday..so I am an expert.
One of my friends who was gay...is gay...is recovering...gay..what have you...is a minister...and he says...
" So what..you were born gay!" Now be Born Again!!"
Amen, and Amen...
answers for the question...
I posted the question to read the answers...lol...
are their simplistic answers for sin?
The simplest answer for sin is the blood of Jesus...and I believe as with all of us...salvation is a daily process...not a one time, lay it on me, I feel it..now I'm saved...
I also believe that any struggles with our flesh...really are very hard to defeat without the power of the Holy Spirit, fasting, prayer, and sometimes...isolation.
Sometimes we have to set ourselves apart, and meditate on God's Word, yield to Him one on one, and press in...
I think breaking bondages are definitely a case for this...
homosexuality is bondage...and I believe it comes with various levels...
there are levels like
depression,
oppression,
possesion...
I believe homosexuality starts off small...like most sins...and grows...
but ultimately...it is choice..and someone who practices homosexuality..has CHOSEN to practice homosexuality...no matter how they were born, who molested them, how many times their mommy babied them, how many times their daddy left them...no matter what the cause, or reason...
it is your and mine decision to practice the sin we are trapped in or wallowing in...
therefore ...
the blame is on us...
I have had some freinds who were gay..but not like I could stand on a pedastal and say..I convert homosexuals everyday..so I am an expert.
One of my friends who was gay...is gay...is recovering...gay..what have you...is a minister...and he says...
" So what..you were born gay!" Now be Born Again!!"
Amen, and Amen...
answers for the question...
I posted the question to read the answers...lol...
are their simplistic answers for sin?
The simplest answer for sin is the blood of Jesus...and I believe as with all of us...salvation is a daily process...not a one time, lay it on me, I feel it..now I'm saved...
I also believe that any struggles with our flesh...really are very hard to defeat without the power of the Holy Spirit, fasting, prayer, and sometimes...isolation.
Sometimes we have to set ourselves apart, and meditate on God's Word, yield to Him one on one, and press in...
I think breaking bondages are definitely a case for this...
homosexuality is bondage...and I believe it comes with various levels...
there are levels like
depression,
oppression,
possesion...
I believe homosexuality starts off small...like most sins...and grows...
but ultimately...it is choice..and someone who practices homosexuality..has CHOSEN to practice homosexuality...no matter how they were born, who molested them, how many times their mommy babied them, how many times their daddy left them...no matter what the cause, or reason...
it is your and mine decision to practice the sin we are trapped in or wallowing in...
therefore ...
the blame is on us...
RE:Homosexuality
richardhutnik
January 6, 2003 at 2:09 PM
For all the heavy handed, and simplistic black and white answers I have read on here, I would like people to answer me this. How many of you actually know homosexual people personally? It is very easy to say it is just wrong, but do you deal with them in real life?
On this note also, have you seen the trends in society and the scientific community and what they have said? This is a lost cause presently to pitch it as sin. I could dredge up a bunch of testimonies (born-again evangelical type in nature) that speak of people finding they were born this way.
So, instead of these simplistic "party line" answers that have been given here (even Satan can quote scripture), does anyone have more solid answers they could speak to regarding this?
To be blunt, when you get the likes of Dr. Phil saying to society, "people are born that way", you are losing the battle here.
Please, give some science or some evidence regarding this. The last bit of stuff I ran into was the said "scientific" evidence people present that homosexuality is not a learned behavior, is a load of crock.
So, if you can speak of more than this simplistic answers, please speak on this.
On this note also, have you seen the trends in society and the scientific community and what they have said? This is a lost cause presently to pitch it as sin. I could dredge up a bunch of testimonies (born-again evangelical type in nature) that speak of people finding they were born this way.
So, instead of these simplistic "party line" answers that have been given here (even Satan can quote scripture), does anyone have more solid answers they could speak to regarding this?
To be blunt, when you get the likes of Dr. Phil saying to society, "people are born that way", you are losing the battle here.
Please, give some science or some evidence regarding this. The last bit of stuff I ran into was the said "scientific" evidence people present that homosexuality is not a learned behavior, is a load of crock.
So, if you can speak of more than this simplistic answers, please speak on this.
RE:Homosexuality
Dr. Smith
January 3, 2003 at 10:21 PM
Thank you and always remember "It Is Never Wrong To Do Right"
Luke 6:36-38
Bro. Tommy
Luke 6:36-38
Bro. Tommy
RE:Homosexuality
vegan
November 20, 2002 at 10:21 PM
Well, sin is sin. there are no "degrees" of sin.
RE:Homosexuality
youth-guy
November 20, 2002 at 9:07 PM
Does God look at all sin withequal punishment?
homosexuality vrs murders?
homosexuality vrs murders?
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